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Poster: Turnphilup to 11 Date: Dec 30, 2013 8:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Going Clear

Reading Lawrence Wright's latest on the exploits of Scientology. This tidbit on page 184 struck me unknowingly, "even members of the Grateful Dead were drawn into Scientology, which promised mystical experiences without hallucinogens". That was a first for me to read and learn. Anyone out there know more about this. Sounds like something Bobby could have been attracted to at some point or maybe Donna. Inquiring minds need to know. Peace.

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Poster: timewarpwiretap Date: Dec 30, 2013 12:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going Clear

I'll forget I read that. I mean what was the hook? Scores of virgins would not cut it!!!

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Dec 30, 2013 10:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going Clear

Only TC for any length of time, I think. And it was part of the reason he didn't quite fit in; trying to be "clear" was kind of at odds with their choice of recreation/s.

I'm vaguely remembering reading that Hunter had a very brief flirtation with it at one point in the 60s. Although that may have been more on the level of "read a book and thought about it for a day."

Seems like Wright was painting with too broad and unspecific a brush, though.

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Poster: Sansloy Date: Dec 31, 2013 5:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going Clear

I remember reading somewhere that TC's Scientology thing was one of the sources of friction between TC and the GD org.

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Poster: JoaRegan7556 Date: Dec 31, 2013 5:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going Clear

I thinnk I remember reading that somewhere too.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Dec 31, 2013 10:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going Clear

didn't read it here....

http://archive.org/post/272365/tom-constantens-contribution-to-the-grateful-dead

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jan 1, 2014 6:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going Clear

TC was into it, and that set him at odds with Owsley in particular (though they didn't get along for other reasons as well).

Hunter flirted with it around '65 - he, David Nelson & Willy Legate stayed in Los Angeles for a while to study it (McNally says they were "looking for what they later described as science-fiction magical powers," but soon lost interest). Of course, in those days people were trying all kinds of things - Hunter also tried out Subud spiritualism and the Gurdjieff society.
Weir dabbled in it briefly as well in '69 (under TC's influence), but quit that year. I presume TC dropped it later, too, but I actually don't know when...

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Poster: Scrim Date: Dec 31, 2013 10:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going Clear

Not in my circle

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Poster: Jack o' Roses Date: Dec 30, 2013 12:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going Clear

don'tcha mean "Bobby could have been attracted to Donna at some point maybe" 1978...

;)

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Poster: capsgd Date: Dec 30, 2013 1:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going Clear

several lethal chemicals are 'clear'
that doesn't make then 'good'

Scientology is a shakedown 'Cruise'
with high priced/exclusive seating..Mother Hubbard's motto; "never give a sucker an even break"

the best mystical experiences aren't mystical.

LSD is good at removing hallucinations
-it shows how transitory they are.
Scientology can't do that...because it IS a hallucination.


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Poster: bluedevil Date: Dec 30, 2013 2:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going Clear

what's your theta reading?

http://www.xenu.net/roland-intro.html

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Dec 30, 2013 9:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going Clear

Google Tom Constanten and Nicky Hopkins.